[Kos Syr]

Thank you Emma,

I ll try your recommendations, and I ll let you know!

All the best

Katerina

[Kos Syr]

Dear Emma,

I havent answered you the other day because I tried to apply all your recommendation and come back with feedback.

I have put Hellen at 8 pm since we discuss it and she has few days she wake up between 6am-6:15 instead of 5 am. So thats great. 🙂

Justo to let you know that sometimes when she wakes up at 6:00am I feed her then she poops (she always poop) and then she sleeps until 7am, but not all the times, there times that even if I feed her she becomes vocal and she is not sleeping.

I understand that this is normal for toddlers to awake at 6-7 am but I would like to get her sleep little later at least half an hour. Is there any tips to do that?

Is it better to stop feed her, Do I create a bad habit, like maybe in later months she could awake later and now I learn her to ask for food to 6 am.

Thank you so much Emma,

You are really helpful and professional.

Katerina

[Kos Syr]

Hi Emma,

Thank you for your aim. I ll try your recommendations.

However I ve got some questions.

About 8pm bedtime. Assuming she wakes up from her 2nd nap at 1:30pm or 2pm, is it ok to get her bedtime after 5-6 hours, is it possible to become overtired and then awake at night?? Also when she omit last nap, because she is not tired , then when I feed her at 7/7:30pm she sleeps during bottle feeding, or she found very difficult to fall asleep! This is why she is going to bed at 7 pm to avoid all this overtiredness .

What can I do on the above situation?

Thank you Emma.

[Kos Syr]

Hi Emma,

Apologies, I havent made everything clear. I will try again. Just to let you know everything is approximately and everything depends on her naps. This schedule I ve followed since last week, because she started to extend some of her naps to one hour, otherwise I used to follow the one you recommend in your previous message.

• Wake open windows say good morning: 7 am
• Feed and then play
• Nap #1: 9am until 9:45am ( naps varies, sometimes 30 min, 45min or 1hour and 15min)
• Feed and then play
• Nap #2: 1pm until 1:45 ( naps varies, sometimes 30 min, 45min or 1hour and 15min)
• Feed and then play
• Nap #3: 4pm – 4:27pm
• Feed and then play and then feed
• Bedtime: 7/8pm,
• wake between 5 to 6:30 am

I tried the day before and yesterday and same still wakes up the first day 5am (I feed her with 120ml milk and slept until 7) and yesterday 4:30am I gave her the bottle of water she slept and wakes at 6am again.) I will put at 8 am again today.

I start with water all the times and when she cries a lot I give her milk, because I dont know what else to do.

No worries about the questions, I know that you want to help her.

Hopefully that makes sense, I am here if you need to clarify anything else.

Regards

Katerina

[Kos Syr]

Hi Emma,

Apologies for my delayed reply, just trying to see if something change with Helen’s scheduled.

1. You mentioned she naps at 9am and generally has a 35-40 minute nap. For her second and third naps, how long is she generally napping for? “1.5 to2.5 hours total ( she has 3-4 days now that either her morning nap or afternoon nap is 1.20 min) “
2. Is she waking overnight for feeds? Or is she waking sometime between 5 and 6 am and you’re feeding her at this point to try and help her fall back to sleep? “Only between 5-6am, I do not feed her all the days, most of them just ignore her because she doesn’t cry, she just move around her bed, tummy, side to side with open eyes.
3. From what you have said, I am guessing Helen’s schedule looks a little like this:
   • Wake: 5am – 6am ( most of the days I do not feed her that time because she doesn’t cry, I open the window at 7 and feed her 7:15am)
   • Feed and then play
   • Nap #1: 9am until 9:45am ( last days later)
   • Feed and then play, yes
   • Nap #2: 12pm until 12:45pm ( last days is going 2:30/3 hours as you reccommend me the others days, now she can extend the hour)
   • Feed and then play, yes
   • Nap #3: 3pm – 3:45pm ( last nap is always 25-27min)
   • Feed and then play and then feed, yes
   • Bedtime: 7/8pm, yes
4. Is Helen having all her naps in a bedroom in a crib? Or is she still having some contact naps and naps in the pram? “Depends of the day but most of them I am trying in her crib”
5. Does she self-settle for naps and bedtime? Yes she does

Ps. Forgot to say that sometimes, trying to find a solution, between 5-6 I feed her with 5-10gr of water and then she return back to sleep for an hour for example.

thank you so much for your time!!

Regards

Katerina

• This reply was modified 1 year, 9 months ago by  Kos Syr.

[Kos Syr]

Hi Emma!!

Yes all makes sense!

I apply your advice and looks likes it works,

She stops to wake up in the middle of the nap, if she rarely wakes I shushing her or give her a hug.

Now she stops her long naps, and is doing only 30 to 40/45 min naps, hopefully she is on growth spurt and she will start again to have long naps.

Regards

[Kos Syr]

Hi Emma,

Today’s nap are going better. Fingers crossed for tomorrow.

I wanna say that this settling pyramid method is awesome , and fits Helen’s temperament absolutely.

My wife cannot hold and rock her as she standing and so she rock her in the bed, and continues with shhhh and pat. Leave first pat and at the end ssss, and Helen falls asleep without our ssss.

Our question is when do we stop pat and ssss, meaning don’t do it at all.

Shall we continue and Helen someday will fall asleep without us at all, just like that?

Hopefully that makes sense!!

Thank you for your suggestions!!

Regards

Kostas

[Kos Syr]

Hi Emma,

I started put Helen in her crib, for nap time and she doesn’t fall asleep but she cries a lot even when put her in my arms.she doesn’t stop at all, and if she stops when I put her down at the crib she starts again to cry, she doesn’t listen my shhhhh at all, and she stops only if I put her at the stroller and move her even a little bit, and then she sleeps.

What do you reccommend me to do??

Kostas

[Kos Syr]

Hi Emma,

Yes that makes sense and thank you for you suggestion, and your wonderful job!!

Next week we will introduce blender food in Helen’s schedule, so hopefully this will not affect her naps and night sleep.

Regards

Kostas

[Kos Syr]

Dear Emma,

Thank you so much for your details and everything!!

We are thinking to keep the old schedule because now it will be summertime and we will prefer to fall asleep her at 9:00 pm, and wakes up 8am.

Kostas

[Kos Syr]

Dear Emma,

Thank you so much for your help and for all this amazing material of this programme. I went through all your material and by taking into consideration your suggestions.

Just to see if I understand correctly based on your suggestions and your material.

If she wakes up 2;30pm and 4;30 pm, having her bedtime at 8pm that means she is genuinely hungry and maybe this will stop next month (6 month) for example. A friend of mine used to feed her baby at 11:30 pm or 12:30pm without awake her baby to stop make him hungry during the night. Is that a good idea or Helen will start a new bad habit. Just wondering.

Also, when she wakes up before 5:00pm she is crying, but after 5:00 she just stay at her crib and plays with her legs or whatever without or with vocal (but she doesnt cry), and after a while (30 min) I see that she falls asleep by her self for 40 min or so, some others times she just wait there, until I ll go to her. Or even I breast feed her she doesnt fall asleep immediately she stays awake for 15-30 minutes and she falls asleep by her shelf.

Is that ok to leave her alone until 7 am?

And last one, maybe is silly one but I would like to see what is the best!!

what about now when the clock change, and we move one hour forward, shall I keep the old scheduled and keep for example her bedtime at 8pm or move to 9 pm? and try to wake up her at 7? or move to 8? and take her first nap at 10 instead of 9 she used to??

Last one of her nap, I ve seen on nap scheduled that at that age wake windows is 2-2,5 hours , Is that period even she take short or longer naps?

Thank you so so much for all this help, because sometimes we fell so lost , with all changes to our baby and trying being consistency is so hard.

Regards

Kostas.

[Kos Syr]

Hi Emma,

I put my comments on “” for better understand, hopefully that’s helps you.

I understand her bedtime is 8pm, and you do a bedtime routine. She generally falls asleep on her own in the crib. “Exactly”

When she doesn’t fall asleep and needs your help, what are you doing to help her fall asleep? Are you using the settling pyramid or doing something else?

“We didn’t know of the settling pyramid you reccommend” Let me here mention that, we started 1 month and half ago to help her to sleep independently using a mixed of various methods based on different books and mainly we use Ferber method, at the beginning we also used the steps of settling pyramids without knowing that. Thus, when she cries more than 5 min we are geing into the room and we gentle patting and a gentle touch in her cheek then when she calm down we get out of the room and wait, if doesn’t cry a lot I am not going in the room and she falls asleep. If she doesn’t falls asleep and she cries We wait for 10 minutes and then get in the room , pat pat and most of the times falls asleep. But always get in view and we touch her, we never did ssssshhhh out of sight…and we try do not pick up her! then she used to move her head right and left couple of times and in general after that she falls asleep!!

Just to let you know that since yesterday something change, she doesn’t use her head right left to falls asleep she just screaming aaaa and stop her head and falls asleep and she has fuzziness and is really hard for her to fall asleep in her crib and she wakes up at 11pm / 2:30 and 5:30 crying a lot and gives the impression that she doesn’t know how to falls asleep without breast feeding, and she takes really short naps 26 minutes. She also falls asleep at night and at nap during I read her the book without have the opportunity even to turn on the white noisy and say goodbye !, why all this happens? Is this an issue??”

After she falls asleep at bedtime, I got the impression she generally sleeps until 4:30/5/6 am. But sometimes she wakes at 1:30 or 3 am, and she either falls back to sleep independently or you comfort her by talking to her until she falls back asleep. When she wakes at 4:30/5/6 am, you are breastfeeding her, and she falls back to sleep until 7 am or slightly later “ or if I breast feeding at 5 am she could falls back to sleep until 6:30 and then even she is drowsy, she doesn’t fall asleep and she falls asleep when I breast feeding her for her breakfast at 7:15 am”

Thank you very much for your help , hopefully my comments makes sense, because I am really confused of what is going on!! Apologies if I didn’t help you to make everything clear !!

Kostas

• This reply was modified 1 year, 11 months ago by  Kos Syr.
• This reply was modified 1 year, 11 months ago by  Kos Syr.

[Kos Syr]

Hi Emma,

that’s great, anytime visit Greece let us know you could meet in person our little Helen.

She is 4 month and 10 days, some times she wakes up at 1:30 or 3:30 (most of the times she fall asleep by herself, or she cries from 10-20 minutes and I talk to her to fall asleep.) Bedtime is 8:00 but I feel that from 7:30 she needs to go to her bedtime but when I put her at 7:30 she protest and she cries. Just to let you know that I want to stop breast feeding from next month, and I don’t want her to keep bad habit to wake up if she is not hungry.

1. How do you get your little one to fall asleep during the day and for bedtime?

She used to fall asleep between 9-10 am at her crib for half hour, now the last two weeks she started extend her first nap from 30min to 1 and half hour (except today she return to 30 min). The second one nap that was between 12-13:00pm we used to use the stroller (she used to fall asleep for two hours and now when her first nap was 1:30 she fall asleep for 30-40 minutes, she hasn’t extended that nap yet.) and sometimes at 4pm (when she has short nap between 12-1 pm )we tried her to fall asleep at her crib and final sometimes we use babycarrier for 20 minutes around 5:30 to 6pm. Does she need to take her nap all to the crib, is it ok to take one nap outside in her stroller or that confuse her?

2. Do you have a routine that you do? If so, what’s the final step of the routine?

pyzamas, diaper,, breastfeeding, bottle, short song, read a book, turn on the noisy machine and goodnight, and we let her alone to fall asleep(sometimes she cries and try to fall asleep ( I am waiting for 5 minutes and I then I get in to room to help her), some other days she falls asleep asap,

3. Does he use a pacifier?

No she doesnt

4. Where does he sleep overnight?at her crib

5. Is there anyone else in the room? If there is, do they snore/are they a noisy sleeper?

we are sleeping all together, maybe sometimes we make some noise, I am not quite sure

6. At the early morning wake (4.30am—5:30am), is the house generally quiet? Is someone up getting ready for work? Are there animals in the house?

no, the house is general quiet

7. When he wakes for that 4.30/5 am feed, does he fall back to sleep if you hold him in your arms? Or does he stay awake and is ready to start his day?

When she wakes up at 4:30/5/6am I used to breastfeeding her for 5-7 ( sometimes less) minutes and then I put her at her crib and she fall back to sleep.

8. When you feed him at 4.30/5am, do you have a light on in the room/is there some light creeping into the room, or is it dark (so dark enough that you can’t see your hand if you were to hold it in front of your face)? the room is dark, with a very low light lamp,in the corner of her crib.

9. For the 4.30am – 5am feed do you change his diaper or burp him after the feed?no nothing

10. What do you do if he stays awake after that early morning feed? Do you turn on the lights and start your day – so get up and have breakfast, or do you stay in the room and keep it dark until a set time?

When she wakes up at 4:30 she use to cry and as I told I breast feeding and then she fall back to sleep, if she wakes up at 5:30 or 6:00 am she stay alone and she lift her legs, she is doing bubbles with her mouth, and when I breast feeding or bring her to our bed for co-sleeping she falls asleep. Sometimes she finally wakes up at 7:00 or few times at 7:30 (today 7:45), or I don’t turn on the lights before 7:00 but during that time she is awake.

Thank you in advance

Kostas

• This reply was modified 1 year, 11 months ago by  Kos Syr.

[Kos Syr]

Hi Emma,

Hi from Greece

We love the course and we are funs of you, following your instagram account as well.

I have similar issue with Nicola, with our lady. Our lady is 4 and 10 days old, She falls asleep at 7:50-8:00 pm.

Can I answer here your questions you propose to Nicola or start a new topic?

Thank you!!

1. How do you get your little one to fall asleep during the day and for bedtime?

2. Do you have a routine that you do? If so, what’s the final step of the routine?

3. Does he use a pacifier?

4. Where does he sleep overnight?

5. Is there anyone else in the room? If there is, do they snore/are they a noisy sleeper?

6. At the early morning wake (4.30am—5:30am), is the house generally quiet? Is someone up getting ready for work? Are there animals in the house?

7. When he wakes for that 4.30/5 am feed, does he fall back to sleep if you hold him in your arms? Or does he stay awake and is ready to start his day?

8. When you feed him at 4.30/5am, do you have a light on in the room/is there some light creeping into the room, or is it dark (so dark enough that you can’t see your hand if you were to hold it in front of your face)?

9. For the 4.30am – 5am feed do you change his diaper or burp him after the feed?

10. What do you do if he stays awake after that early morning feed? Do you turn on the lights and start your day – so get up and have breakfast, or do you stay in the room and keep it dark until a set time?